Comments on: biblical or man made traditions? http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/ Christian Speaker and Writer Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:40:57 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: “How to Change Traditional Churches into New Testament Churches” | CHARISMATICA http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1098 “How to Change Traditional Churches into New Testament Churches” | CHARISMATICA Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:58:48 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-1098 [...] biblical or man made traditions? (codybateman.org) [...] [...] biblical or man made traditions? (codybateman.org) [...]

]]> By: William Cody Bateman | Blog Post | William Cody Bateman http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-1087 William Cody Bateman | Blog Post | William Cody Bateman Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:32:45 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-1087 [...] Biblical or Man Made Traditions [...] [...] Biblical or Man Made Traditions [...]

]]> By: William Cody Bateman http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-976 William Cody Bateman Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:06:27 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-976 Thank you for your opinionated responses Douglas. No where in the teachings of Jesus Christ does he affirm tradition; neither directly by He or those holy men driven by the Spirit such as Paul. In fact, the whole book of Galatians is a rebuke against traditions (man centered) apart from true worship of the Christ Himself! Believers meeting in homes is better defined in two books of the bible - Acts (where all followers of the Way gathered outside the inner temple courts and in Hebrews (specifically Chapter Ten). In that text, Paul rebukes all who heard of the doctrines of Christ but entered BACK INTO temple worship and its dead works! Lastly, my scriptures are broken down into 66 canonical books (without the Catholic's Apocrypha). I have no problem with studying God's Word via the books broken down into chapters and verses or scrolled like the Jewish Torah. :) Thank you for your opinionated responses Douglas. No where in the teachings of Jesus Christ does he affirm tradition; neither directly by He or those holy men driven by the Spirit such as Paul. In fact, the whole book of Galatians is a rebuke against traditions (man centered) apart from true worship of the Christ Himself!

Believers meeting in homes is better defined in two books of the bible – Acts (where all followers of the Way gathered outside the inner temple courts and in Hebrews (specifically Chapter Ten). In that text, Paul rebukes all who heard of the doctrines of Christ but entered BACK INTO temple worship and its dead works!

Lastly, my scriptures are broken down into 66 canonical books (without the Catholic's Apocrypha). I have no problem with studying God's Word via the books broken down into chapters and verses or scrolled like the Jewish Torah. :)

]]> By: douglas http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-965 douglas Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:02:15 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-965 Sorry, but you can't escape Tradition. Jesus followed Tradition. He told his followers to obey the Jews when they taught from the "seat of Moses", a Jewish tradition not found in Scripture but ratified by Jesus in the Gospel. He simply said not to live as they did. Tell me - is the index to your Bible a tradition or not? Yes, it is a tradition, a Catholic Tradition. Without Catholicism, there is no reactionary, arrogant, misinformed house church movement. The entire tradition of modern house church planting is based on the misinterpretation of the famous verse in 1 Cor. You replace one tradition with another, relying on yourself as the pillar and foundation for interpreting truth. It's hopeless. Sorry, but you can't escape Tradition. Jesus followed Tradition. He told his followers to obey the Jews when they taught from the "seat of Moses", a Jewish tradition not found in Scripture but ratified by Jesus in the Gospel. He simply said not to live as they did. Tell me – is the index to your Bible a tradition or not? Yes, it is a tradition, a Catholic Tradition. Without Catholicism, there is no reactionary, arrogant, misinformed house church movement. The entire tradition of modern house church planting is based on the misinterpretation of the famous verse in 1 Cor. You replace one tradition with another, relying on yourself as the pillar and foundation for interpreting truth. It's hopeless.

]]> By: chaplainandrews http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-818 chaplainandrews Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:26 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-818 Obviously, we sit on two side of this debate--which is ok. But, my concern is that I have grown much through some of the rituals, as I have used them as tools to growth. I understand the concern that this has slipped into idolatry for some and that is troublesome. I have seen that through the arts, that we are denying, we use these reflect on how God speaks through the ages. Thanks for listening--I'll keep reading =) Obviously, we sit on two side of this debate–which is ok. But, my concern is that I have grown much through some of the rituals, as I have used them as tools to growth. I understand the concern that this has slipped into idolatry for some and that is troublesome.

I have seen that through the arts, that we are denying, we use these reflect on how God speaks through the ages.

Thanks for listening–I'll keep reading =)

]]> By: William Cody Bateman http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-817 William Cody Bateman Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:16:33 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-817 Thank you for you response. The very premise of this blog article is to show that we have not actually matured but instead, have immaturely followed after icons, traditions and men - all contrary to Paul's rebukes in both Galatians and I Corinthians. If we remove the buildings, steeples, positions, monetary overhead, religious garb and the such - we are left with God's Word, Christians gifted and true intimate fellowship with God and one another.... just as Jesus Christ prescribed in Acts and the Epistles. Thank you for you response. The very premise of this blog article is to show that we have not actually matured but instead, have immaturely followed after icons, traditions and men – all contrary to Paul's rebukes in both Galatians and I Corinthians.

If we remove the buildings, steeples, positions, monetary overhead, religious garb and the such – we are left with God's Word, Christians gifted and true intimate fellowship with God and one another…. just as Jesus Christ prescribed in Acts and the Epistles.

]]> By: chaplainandrews http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-816 chaplainandrews Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:56:35 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-816 While you see the traditions as something to throw out, I see them as a rich heritage of instruction through the ages by God's people to tell of the loving grace of God, through Christ. Do we need to keep them for "traditions sake"? No, but we need to see how God has moved as the church grew and matured. To throw it all out, all that we have gain, would be a travesty. While you see the traditions as something to throw out, I see them as a rich heritage of instruction through the ages by God's people to tell of the loving grace of God, through Christ.

Do we need to keep them for "traditions sake"? No, but we need to see how God has moved as the church grew and matured.

To throw it all out, all that we have gain, would be a travesty.

]]> By: Jill http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/comment-page-1/#comment-815 Jill Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:44:32 +0000 http://codybateman.org/2009/03/10/pagan/#comment-815 The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at <a href="http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org" target="_blank">http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org</a> . It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at <a href="http://frankviola.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://frankviola.wordpress.com/</a> . The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org . It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/ .

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